Gathering of the Figments

wightblack · Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:37 am Post subject: What's that? We don't exist? :P

What, my theory that we don't exist? Alright, lol... here it is... but first, some explanations on infinity. Oh, and by the way, this entire thing relies heavily on mathematics.

Basically, infinity has no set value. Like zero. You might say "sure zero has a value, it's zero, between positive and negative one" but it doesn't have a value at all, zero is nothing, it is the complete absence of value. And infinity and zero are reciprocal values, like "one over infinity" equals zero and "one over zero" equals infinity- I didn't come up with this myself, it's mathematic principle.

So if zero is the absence of value, then infinity is the reciprocal of that, as in the absence of that absence- but since zero doesn't have a value than its reciprocal can't either (try dividing something by zero on your calculator to prove this); so infinity is the presence of value, but the value is a non-existent one. Since the obvious non-existent value, zero, is already taken, then infinity must be at the other end of the spectrum- larger than all numbers which have value, in other words. So think of the highest number you can, even make up numbers like 'frillion' and 'megadillion' or whatever- infinity is bigger than that number. Not just bigger than that number, but bigger than that number to any power.

And all this basically says, if I've worded it in too much of a confusing way, is that any number, compared to infinity, might as well be zero. Divide infinity, a number with no set value, by a number which has a set value, and you still have infinity. You might ask, "isn't that just dividing by one?" And the answer is, no. Because you only get infinity if you divide a number by zero. See what I'm saying? Compared to infinity, any number can be proven to be zero.

SO, now we get onto the theory itself. Firstly, time- as it relates to our universe (wording makes it sound like there are others, lol)- has a lower limit of zero, since before the universe came into being time didn't exist for it. It has an upper limit of infinity, because there *is* no upper limit; the universe has no factors which will limit how long it can continue to exist.

In addition to that, the universe is constantly expanding in relation to time (I don't know what relation, either straight or exponential, it really doesn't matter). Since time doesn't have an upper limit, neither does the amount of space in the universe. So both time and space can be said to be infinite in this case.

Every person takes up a set amount of space. Therefore their space within the universe takes on a set value. And the universe has an infinite amount of space. This goes back to set value vs infinity- and what it means is that, our space within the universe equals zero.

Every person also lives for a set amount of time. Set amount vs infinite amount- in terms of time, our lifespans equal zero.

In addition, in a universe with potential space existing for an infinite amount of time, there are an infinite amount of events which could occur. The amount of things any person can do during their lifespan is limited *by* their lifespan. In terms of the universe, our total actions equal zero. By the same token, in a universe with an infinite amount of space, the distance any person can travel in their lifespan is limited by their lifespan, and so in terms of the universe, again equals zero.

So what this all means is this: in terms of existence (since the universe, by definition, *is* existence) we live for a negatory amount of time, take up a negatory amount of space, travel a negatory amount of distance and do nothing, what evidence is there that we exist? Logically, we don't. For example, in terms of giant balls of lead, directly to my right I can see a complete absence of one- logically, then, there isn't one there. So for anyone to say that my theory is wrong is like saying they're about to walk into a ball of lead suspended at head-height despite all evidence to the contrary. Razz

Anyway, this theory is heavily dependent on infinity, which is pretty much a theory itself, just like almost all maths is theoretical. My intention was never to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that we don't exist; it was to show that through mathematical principle and logic it can be proven that we don't exist.

Come on people! Get the crackpot theories (and non-crackpot theories...) rolling! Steph, we're yet to hear from you...
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Jem · Figment of a Figment Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 2

u can't prove something based on mathematical principal if u can't prove mathematical principal

everything's a theory, and u gave me a headache.

Bj · Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:57 pm Post subject:

this is a real good theorie but unlike u anmd i not everyone can be that good in math and u need to reword it much quicker so ppple can get the sense of what u are sayin much quicker bcuz ppple dont wanna read that long
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wightblack · Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject:

It doesn't require people to be good at maths. It requires them to have the attention span to read my explanation, because everything they *need* to know in order to understand the theory, I've written. True, I could shorten it, but to what end? I might as well just write "Maths can prove we don't exist"- it's true but I'd be bound to get replies like "How?" and "Yeah right, moron" and so on.

Jem: Mathematic principle. Principle- of mathematics. Mathematics: theoretical. You can't prove something is fact based on mathematic principle because all maths is theoretical, but you can support something by mathematic principle. I think I explained my intention- and yes, there it is, right in the last paragraph. Not counting that throwaway line right at the end. Anyway, I didn't give you a headache, you gave yourself a headache. I feel like I should apologise for it anyway though, so: I am deeply sorry for providing a catalyst for the nasty demons of aching-in-head. Very Happy

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pommie42 · Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:31 am Post subject:

You know, this sounds surprisngly similar to the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy theory...
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Ruralin · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:41 am Post subject:

Does that say we aren't real? Or are you referring to the meaning of life being 42?
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ArcT · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:51 am Post subject:

This theory has one gigantic hole. And my description is gravity.

Gravity is a universal constant. The gravity of the Earth has an effect of something that is as far as universally possible away. Only when it gets to infinity, does gravity become zero. Infinitely small.

But also, the centrepoint of a gravitational field is infinitely huge. At zero distance, gravity is infinite. At infinite distance, gravity is zero. Maths can calculate that, and does successfully.

But it's wrong. Gravity at both zero and infinite distance is nothing. Because all that matter causing the field is pulling outwards from that centrepoint- with equal force to the gravitation inwards.

So... infinity is either infinitely large or infinitely small. It doesn't work.
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pommie42 · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject:

a_weirdo · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:43 am Post subject:

That works out really well..... Shocked

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Hawkins · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:53 am Post subject:

Bad at math...brain hurts...confused...*calls old math teacher*

Mr. P--when you square life--we'll call that 'X' for now--you have to have it equal something, so subtract 'Y' from each side...

*throws something heavy at him*
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Shaye · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject:

Hmm...I suppose I believe we exist fully and without doubt. Why? Well because right now I can feel my heart beating, I can feel my fingers moving, I am aware, at the moment, that I am truly alive. It would depend on how you define existing.

There is a difference between living an existing, but you must exist to live. You could be a person who cannot do anything by themselves, depending on machines and nurses to do everything for you, but you cannot truly say you are living. You exist. You have a name. You are still a part in this world, but you are not living.

Some people would tell me that I have it switched. That you must live in order to exist. This is true also. It is depending on how you define existing, once again.

Do you exist? I don't know. That's your decision. As for me, I choose to exist and live and love every moment of it.

...and my rant is over, along with your boredome Very Happy

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ArcT · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject:

I has been a-thinking about this... The universe does not, as is said here, have infinite space within it. It's only around 46.5 billion light years across, as far as we can tell. We cannot say it is infinite just because we can't see all of it Wink

And, judging by the maths in your theory, which does work sorta-kinda, it cannot be infinite, because we DO exist Razz

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When everything's made to be broken
I just want you to know who I am

Hawkins · Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject:

DAMN IT ARCT it only took me about .5 years to figure that out on my own AND YOU GET THERE FRICKIN' FIRST!

I wanted to win for once! *whacks with pretzel stick*
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