Gathering of the Figments

honkifuluvnicole · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: Hilary Clinton

So, did you guys hear that Hilary Clinton is running for president?!?! Pretty cool, but weird. Im actually quite excited to see what happens with that. We still have a year to go, but it is going to be the big controversy for 2007. Well, one of the many. At first, I thought that she had no chance, but if people listen to her, and give her the respect that she deserves, then I think she actually has a chance. And since the states are mostly Democratic now, that certainly raises her chances of winning.

What are your thoughts on it all?! Wink

fbi_woman · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject:

I'm excited to see how it all plays out! I would love to see a woman president, and I think I'd be happy to see anyone but Bush in power lol. I mean, not that it directly affects me lol, but I just hate Bush lol.
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honkifuluvnicole · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject:

I agree...I hate Bush to, no offense to any of those who are for him or anything like that....I just dont think he has the knowledge, balls, or common sense to be a president. But I really hope that Hilary will at least get some support for this, its a big step, and she is truly a genious.
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trinity · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject:

I actually happen to be a Bush supporter and a full on you'll never change my views Republican. In my opinion and I don't care if it's offensive but I think Hilary Clinton as president, I wish I were dead to see the world sink that low. I have no problem with women running for president but that woman I in no way agree with her views on anything at all but obviously with all those freaking communist liberals out there she has a more than fifty percent chance of landing in the presidents chair. There is really nothing that can change it from happening though cause for me the prophecy is happening now and from now on everything is going to go way downhill. I'm sure once the second Clinton hits the capitol gay marriage is going to be one of the top things on her list to endorse, PETA and all other animal rights activist are going to have a hay day. Just talking about this makes me mad so I better stop before I begin a rampage of unintelligable curses and mocks.
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fbi_woman · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject:

hmmm you must not like Canada too much then lol. we're very liberal. our conservative minority isn't gonna last long, and most people only voted conservative to punish the liberals for the defecit and crap lol. but we have gay marriage, abortion, all that jazz (which I do support, I vote NDP and am proud to say it lol). idk, I don't wanna get too OT, but I really believe in equality so I just feel like everyone should get a choice and a chance (eg. to get married, to do what they feel is best for them, etc). We even covered sex change operations with health care up until recently. I like that about us though. I don't like the idea of people being denied priviledges that others get. but now I'm getting away from Hilary lol. Anyways, I'm just excited by the whole woman running thing lol, and she sure does have a lot of experience.
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trinity · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject:

Ha, ha sorry to say Canadians are not my favorite people in the world neither are the French. If there's one MAJOR thing you discussed in your last post there fbi, I hate absolutely HATE the idea of abortion. Their not terminating or aborting, their killing murdering an innocent child that if they had been smart enough would have used protection and not had the chance to make a baby. Yeah it's your choice to kill the baby you made but it is just plain wrong unless there's cases of pegnancy in rape or incest but other than that it seriously depresses me to think of the idea of abortion. We really are swaying from the whole topic of this thread at least I am. Pretty soon all the things I hate will happen here in America and it will be my children who have to face what is to come if I didn't want kids so bad I'd never choose bring them up in such horrible times.
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ArcT · Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:49 am Post subject:

I'd welcome the idea of a woman becoming president- just as everyone else should. It would be a blow for the superiority of men the world over. And that's good. There's only three differences between men and women, and aside from that and our varying taste in clothes, we're exactly the same.

But it would also empower extreme feminist groups. There would be demonstrations in the streets, there would probably be violence, and I think that some of these groups would forget that they need to have respect. They'd, and this is likely, drive off from a parking ticket - "I don't need to pay that- I'm a woman", they'd attempt to put women into even worse and more dangerous jobs - working on oil refineries out at sea, for instance. I have no problem with women working there, but it's bad enough that we have the people who work there already, without extremists forcing more workers onto them.

And I don't agree with Hilary Clinton. She, in my mind, has been power-hungry since day one. As Bush can't serve a third term (personally a blessing - I dislike Bush absolutely- he gave Republicans a bad name), it looks likely that Hilary will win the election- people know her better than the new Republican candidate.

I agree with all your opinions on abortion - sometimes it's necessary, otherwise the mother will see the face of their rapist in their child, but I disagree with aborting just because someone couldn't keep their fly zipped.

Gay marriage is actually impossible. I don't care what homosexual people want to call it- it's not marriage. Marriage is a holy bond (not that I'm saying homosexuality is evil and devilish- I don't care what orientation other people are- it's their choice, their life, and they can live it their way. As long as male homosexuals understand that I do not feel the same way about men as they do, and they do not "try it on", then I'm perfectly happy).
But I digress. You can't marry a man to a man, or a woman to a woman. Marriage is a bond between one of each - One Man + One Woman = One Whole. Wikipedia dictates that marriage is the formation of a family unit, to legitimize sex and allow procreation. So does the Bible.

But as far as I'm aware, and unless someone has an extremely good sex change, the last one there isn't going to happen. So the marriage will NOT work. It's not legal, it's not real, and it's not right. This is another instance of an extremist group trying to force views onto other people. By no means should gay marraige be illegal- again, it's their life to live, but it should NOT mean everything that marriage between a man and a woman should. It is wrong, and it gradually will erode everything that marriage should be.

This is where I stand with adoption, as well. A child is designed to have a man and a woman to take care of it. A man and a man can't do that. Neither can a woman and a woman. You need one of each - that's what we've evolved to do.
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fbi_woman · Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:51 am Post subject:

In regards to abortion, protection doesn't always work, it's not necessarily that people didn't use it. I know people who used protection and got a little surprise. At the time of abortion, the fetus is scientifically not a child. It's a little lump of cells with no brain, no mind, no feelings. There's also teen pregnancy issues. Kids are stupid. They make mistakes. It's not really fair to bring a child into the world if you don't feel you can give them a good life, and some kids won't put up for adoption even though they should, and that's not fair to the child.

As for marriage, I'm not religious, I was never made to go to church, so I could honestly care less about the religious definition of marriage. Maybe gay people don't need to be married in a church "in front of God", but they should at least be able to go downtown and get a legal union. Just because they aren't straight doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to make a legal lifelong commitment to a person they love. One of my best friends is gay, and she's just always known she was, and marriage is very important to her, and she would be devastated if she was never allowed to share that with the person she loves.

I don't think it takes a man and a woman to raise a child either. My riding coach and his partner share a daughter from his partner's first marriage, and she's a very successful, well adjusted girl. I love her, she's sharp as a tack and she has very good ethics and stuff. I guess what I feel as a whole is that the "traditional" way of doing things should not be the only way. Not everyone is cut from the same cloth, and what works for one person doesn't work for everyone.

buuut I'm gonna stop digressing cuz this doesn't really have to do with Hilary anymore lol.
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honkifuluvnicole · Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject:

it's all about opinion here....if you are a liberal, then you will like hilary running. and i happen to be a democrat, and a woman, so i am STOKED to see her running for president. the other democrats running are different races too...one is African American and one is Latino. I find it so fascinating that we have a woman, an African American AND a Latino running, what a change....and of course it will bring MUCH controversy to the USA and the world.
I think that Hilary Clinton is going to give equal rights to everyone becuase she understands everyone, or she makes it seem that way. And I think that it is Democratic rule, she has a really good chance of winning this 2008 election.
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Shaye · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:07 am Post subject:

Either Hilary or Obama will be fine with me. Smile

Fighting about politics is a losing battle, my friends. When people decide that they're determined to look one way, not even a bomb will make them turn to look the opposite direction. You are how you are raised, unless you have some big rebellion. If you're raised liberal/conservative/republican/democrat/communist/other your probably going to be liberal/conservative/republican/democrat/communist/other.

But I'm glad to see people speaking up for what they believe in!

That's like...pure awesomeness. Very Happy

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Hawkins · Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:25 am Post subject:

We used to live in a matrolineal(sp?) society. I.e., women ruled. We didn't have wars, and we didn't believe killing was the answer. Or something. Basically, we thrived.

Then man takes over, and we have wars, famine, super virus', and every man is hell bent on ultimate power. Well, not ALL men, but...a lot of men.

So I was voted 'most likely to take over the world' UNANIMOUSLY in high school...but...

As for abortion, abortion wasn't to let the slutty hooker girls get their way, like "oops, my condom broke! xD I'll just kill this baby and go be a slut again! xD xD xD" it was to protect the good little Catholic girls who got raped or something and were too ashamed to tell their parents they were pregnant, so they used to get illegal abortions that more often than not made them very sick; sometimes even killed them.
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Shaye · Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject:

I've decided to give up on politics.

Seriously, there's really no way in the world to change people's minds.

I've realized that nobody can change the world for the better. They can almost change it, but you can't completely change it. I mean, when you think about it, not even Gandhi or Martin Luther King got their message across. There's still racism and hate.

I always used to think I could change that, but I can't. Sure, you can change individual people a little bit, but wholly, you can't. People will always choose to believe in the things they have always believed in. If their parents told them gay people are perverts - they're most likely going to believe gay people are perverts. If they grew up thinking that all muslims are terrorists - they're going to believe that for the rest of their life. They're going to tell their kids about how gays are perverts and how all muslims are terrorists, and alas, ignorance spreads.

I can't stand being around people like that. People who insist that I'M wrong because I choose to believe that everyone has some good in them, color, religion, and gender aside. People who insist that the world would be a completely better place if everyone believed the same thing, and that I'M wrong for thinking that diversity of religion, race, and everything else is what makes this world wonderful.

I've given up on trying to change the racist, ignorant, and arrogant because people don't change. They just don't change in that way. People can stop drinking, smoking, or doing drugs, but they will almost never change the way they think.

You can say that I'm wrong about this and that it is possible to change the world, but I won't believe you. Ironic, isn't it? But true.

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Hawkins · Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject:

Not ALL people have good in them..it's not something you're born with, it's something you choose to be. Yes, some parents will tell you that gays are perverts and that if you ever believe otherwise you won't be allowed in the family. Mae always told me how she felt about things like that, but never forced her opinion on me. Which is why she wasn't entirely ecstatic when I told her I was following the Native American religion, but she didn't vote against it. If only there were more Mae's in the world. xD

I saw a double decker port-a-potty once that the top door said 'POLITICS' and the bottom door said 'VOTERS'. I couldn't help but laugh at this, then I tried to take a dump in it. The only reason I didn't was because the door wouldn't open.
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Shaye · Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject:

No. All people have good in them Hawky.

(see how difficult it is?)
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Hawkins · Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject:

I suppose if Saddam Hussien's daughter believed he was the greatest guy ever, then maybe even he had a bit of goodness in him.

Or either that he forced his daughter to say that.
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