Gathering of the Figments

Figment · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:27 am Post subject: Abortion...

Ok, seeing as the Hilary Clinton topic kept trying to drift to this topic, i thought we should start one for it specifically...

I personally think it is wrong...

Having worked in childcare for close to two years, i could not even entertain the ghost of the thought of getting an abortion...

Even if i was raped, and got pregnant from that, i would not be able to punish that child for the things that i had suffered...

Because, yes, they may be more likely to be violent or have problems, i just could not do anything so terrible as decide whether a child was meant to live...

I would give it the best chance possible...

But hey, you're talking to the girl who was feeding a newborn mouse on formula for four days, and keeping it warm with a heat pack... i will do everything possible to keep life... alive...

What are your thoughts on it?
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Shaye · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:36 am Post subject:

I agree with it. I do disagree with it when people use it as a form of birth-control every time they decide to get a homerun.

I believe it's a choice. I believe it shouldn't be outlawed.

And for all the people who think it's 'murder'...that's just weird. It's a zygote! Technically everytime you jacked off or had a period THAT would be murder too! A zygote doesn't posess any human qualities and no human can feel pain if they don't have a nervous system, and it's illegal to do abortions after the baby develops a notochord. So, it's not murder.

And for all the people who say "the baby has a soul"...do you believe god is smart? Do you believe god knows what's going to happen in the future? Why would god give a baby a soul if he knew that it wasn't going to live?

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Figment · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:05 am Post subject:

The reason i wouldnt be able to have one, is that i look at the kids in childcare centres (even the problem children) and think, what if their parents had had an abortion... they wouldnt be here...

The reason i would not be able to, is that i would constantly find myself wondering what that child would have been like, what they would have done with their life...

I know if i did have an abortion, i would think about the child who wasnt, for the rest of my days... Crying or Very sad

Because even though you get difficult childrem, each one is unique and special, and they are so sweet...

Its just like rats... i could not, with a clear conscience, give up rats or mice to be eaten by snakes and what-notm pinkies or not, i would not be able to handle it...

I mean i am not going to protest in front of a medical centre or anything, its that person's choice, but i could not do it.
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Nonnahswriter · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:53 pm Post subject:

i'm for abortion. it's the mother's child; if she doesn't want to have it, then she doesn't have to have it. if she does, then nothing to worry about it. i mean, not everyone is like you, Figment; if a girl is raped by someone, and gets pregnant, then they would feel awful, and it's all because of that one jerk who raped them. they shouldn't have to suffer if they can't handle it, especially if they're too young. besides, even if someone chose not to have an abortion, the kid would be put up for adoption and have a hard life, usually.
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Figment · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject:

Hence why i said "it's that person's choice"... all i was giving were the reasons that i, myself, could not do it.
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Shaye · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:28 am Post subject:

Oh! I forgot!

If we were to be all weird and make it illegal it would be really sad because people literally CAN'T have children for medical reasons. Also, even if they outlawed it people would still get abortions, but illegally and unsafely. Either they do that, or put themselves in danger in order to get rid of the zygote/embryo (depends on when they do it) like one girl in my high school ODed on painkillers so that she would have a miscarriage. So, if somebody outlawed abortions there would be SO many problems.

Yeah. I forgot to mention that.
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marianas · The Scarlet Pimpernel Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 435

I am thoroughly pro-choice, but if I ever got pregnant, no matter how/with whom I would keep the baby.

I could definitely see situations, however, where I think a child would be better off if it didn't even exist... And I agree with Shaye that some people will try to have abortions anyway so if abortions are legal and administered by proven medical professionals, they can be safe, whereas other methods can be quite dangerous...
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Shaye · Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:37 am Post subject:

Meh! What if you got AIDS/HIV/Syphilis/whatever from the person you were raped by? Well if you had the baby it would die in pain if it had aids/hiv, not to mention you wouldn't be there for your child that you so desperately had to keep because you were A)in and out of the hospital trying to get treatment B)you're already dead, and if you had syphilis your baby would die and you would go insane and then you would die.

Do you really want to see a child suffer like that all because you wouldn't abort because you thought it was "wrong"? Because if you do, i think that's sick.

(Not directed to you Figment, just in general, so don't get mad, I'm not directing this to you at all. Neutral

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Shaye · Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:39 am Post subject:

(or to you, Marianas)
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butterflii · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject: er

I think it's down to personal thoughts. I don't think it should be outlawed because many people have such troubled lives that bringing a baby into it would be cruel for the mother and the baby. However i dislike women who are on a perfectly good income, in a stable reltationship or with plenty of help who have an abortion simply for the reason of not wanting the baby.
I don't think i could ever have an abortion, or if I did the conditions would have to be really drastic. I would constantly feel guilty of preventing a baby it's chances of life and hink about what the child would have been like, looked like, thought like. I personally couldn't go through with it but I don't think it should be illegal as if a young girl gets raped, the circumstances may be dreadful and the best way out may be an abortion. The youngest mother was actually a five year old who started mentruation when she was 2! Imagine a young girl, hardly a toddler suffering with the pregnancey and birth of a child only a few years younger than you and probably not much smaller.
Abortion isn't a good thing, but it certainly isn't bad enough to be outlawed.
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Hawkins · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:13 am Post subject:

Well...

The question comes to how they got pregnant in the first place. Let's think to that slut in high school (my high school, not yours, Shaye) that was pregnant in her freshman year. She desperately wanted to try out...baby making...to fit in and be cool with the rest of the girls, and then she got pregnant. I thought she was being pretty damn selfish and slutty when she got an abortion, and the worst part is everyone loved her. The teachers, the girls, the guys, everyone except me and my band of nerds. But nobody cared about us... Crying or Very sad

But that's just me.
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Figment · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:52 am Post subject:

I disagree with it, and i don't think i would have an abortion, ever... but it really bugs me when some girls see it as an option... that they keep getting pregnant and keep having abortions... that they see that as OK... *shudders*
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Henna · Figment of a Figment Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 15

that they keep getting pregnant and keep having abortions... that they see that as
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The chance of them getting pregnant and having abortions multiple times is small.

And what if the teen DID have the baby, her parents kicked her out, she had to drop out of school to support the baby, could only work minimum wage because she had to drop out, the father left her because he didn't want to deal with it? Or she could have an abortion and have a baby when she's ready and able to fully support it?

And for the "There's always adoption", there are already SOO many children waiting to be adopted! And the process is long and expensive, and many parents are denied adoption rights.

We can't generalized every case, I'm pro-choice.

And having the child from rape- the mother, every time she looked at that child, could think of the rapist, and have feelings of rage which could lead to child abuse. Think about it, she would be CONSTANTLY reminded of the rape/ the rapist. Could you imagine what that would feel like?

butterflii · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:36 pm Post subject:

Every case is different, but it should be legal to those who want it IF it was for a good reason;

1) Was raped/ taken advantage of and the child was not consumed by own fault.

2) Hasn't got the money/time/surroundings to bring up a child.

3) has a desease that could be passed to baby through birth.

Etc. etc.
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Figment · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject:

Well if i had a serious disease from the rape, and it was going to cause the child to suffer/die painfully... of course i would abort then... But for no other reason...
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