Gathering of the Figments

Shaye · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject:

I'm sorry ArcT, let me make it perfect just for you

I try to eat Kosher meat because then I know the animals don't suffer AS MUCH as other ways of killing them.

I still think humans were made to eat meat, but being vegetarian/vegan is a choice, and I believe that everyone is free to make that choice, just as people are free to make the choice to eat meat.
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butterflii · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:15 am Post subject:

I think us humans have developed pointed teeth and flat ones so that we can eat basically whatever we want, just like Shaye said. Therefore we have the decisions to eat what we want, when we want.
However I don't think dieing is necessarily suffering. Because in some circumstances it can be painless and quick. Even though in a lot of instances it isn't.
I think it is unfair to ridicule vegetarians as they are doing exactly what they feel is right for them. I think that everyone who eats meat should just be aware of what exactly happens to the animals etc.
Linda McCartney once said, “If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone in the world would be a vegetarian”.
Slaughter houses are pretty unsanitary and more laws than any other buisness. One of the things that made me become a vegetarian was watching a KFC internet video on the web of people throwing these live chickens against a wall, kicking them and stamping on them to kill them. It's tear jerking. If you really feel comfortable about eating meat, and don't care about what it does to animals then I ask you to watch the videos.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=pilgrims_web

Even typing in Slaughter house on google images is nauseating.
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Hawkins · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:24 am Post subject:

My math teacher once described how he killed chickens (because he used to raise them) he would tie their legs together, then tie their legs to a post, and hack their heads off. He tied them to a post so they wouldn't run around with their head cut off. Because it's just disgusting to watch a bird do that.
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butterflii · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:14 am Post subject:

Ye I bet it is!

Eugh even thinking about it makes me feel ill! Sad

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Hawkins · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject:

Mae was rasied on a farm, they had like all the birds in the freakin' universe. I think they even had an emu. Then a rabid rooster (do fowl get rabies?) chased her and Papa had to cut his head off. The roosters, not his own. Yeah, that makes sense...
Gramma: Your daughters being chased by a rooster.
Granpa: Are you serious? (looks out window)
Mae: I'M BEING CHASED BY A ROOSTER!
Granpa: oh crap. Where's the ax?
Gramma: on the wall. Just floating there.
Granpa: (takes ax, runs outside, and chops his head off)
Mae: still...being...chased...(falls on ground)
Rooster: (pauses, then jumps on Mae, pecks on her)
Anyway, she explained this whole procedure of killing birds, and I practically died. I was like "MAE! YOU SICK EVIL BEING!" And she just shrugged and said "it's 'the circle of life'." And I was like "I'm going to tie you to a tree with the tape from that movie."
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Shaye · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject:

Kosher meat is given that name because the animals are killed as fast as possible and a Rabbi is there to oversee the process.

Seriously, if people want to eat meat, let them. I'm not going to change my mind about eating meat because I'm my own person and I have my own life. It's my decision, just as being vegetarian/vegan is yours.
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Hawkins · Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject:

One of the reasons I'm a vegetarian is because I really can't stand the taste...especially BBQ sauce and gravy. OMG WHAT IS THAT ON MY STEAK?! The bones are nasty too, I mean, some people are like, "aw, sweet! A bone!" but I get to it and go, "oh my God. You just fed me the BONE OF AN ANIMAL." Mae would ALWAYS make me eat steak, though, and I had to go to bed early on more than one occaision because I wouldn't eat the meat. (Or potatoes, but those are just nasty.) It drove me insane, I would always tell Mae, "I'm a vegetarian! I don't eat meat!" and she'd say, "you're not a vegitarian, I've seen you eat chicken." "Yes...but I only eat breast meat and that's the only meat I eat." "You need the protein." "How do you think vegans get their protein? They eat eggs and stuff." "You don't eat eggs." "IT'S A DAMN CHICKEN EMBRYO! THAT'S LIKE WALKING UP TO A PREGNANT WOMAN, CARVING THE BABY OUT OF HER STOMACH, AND EATING THAT! IT'S SICK!" "So since you don't eat eggs, here's your steak." "..."
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Figment · Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject:

When i was saying that... My mum would always tell me that unless i was going to eat lentils every meal, then i had to eat meat...

Do vegetarians eat eggs? Vegans don't... Well i knew one who did... but meh...
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pommie42 · Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject:

Vegans have nothing to do with anything that came from an animal.
I personally don't understand it. Humans are omnivorous (i.e. we eat both meat and plant matter), so WHY CUT OUT THE MEAT!!!???
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Aurora Asha Ila · Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject:

It seems to me that barely any of you have ever visited an abotuaire. (i cant spell it and i dont care)

They dont deal "Humane" Deaths. Ive seen an Abotuaire worker put a single sheep in a paddock and go one on one with it. It was not a pretty sight, Ive seen them bashed on the heads with bottles and ive even seen one guy cut the legs off a sheep, forgetting to put it under.

NOT Humane.

NOT NOT Humane.

I happen to be a proud vegitarian because i know, i have no blood on my hands...

Can you say the same about yours?
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Hawkins · Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:58 am Post subject:

Sometimes, to kill sheep, they put dogs in the pen with them and just let them run to death. They just die from exhaustion, because sheep don't have the same amount of stamina as dogs. That's cruel. But I did know a sheep that always went on a run with me. She was some evil. Oh wait, we found out she was a dude after she was shorn.

*shudder*
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butterflii · Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:23 pm Post subject:

If you could see what happened to animals to be prepared for butchering, you'd all be vegetarians.

ALL OF YOU!

I saw this footage, of animals being transported to slaughter houses and all of them were kept in such brutal conditions, that the animals would be locked up without food or water for days at a time, and over half died, just on the way there. The animals lost eyes, got cuts, bruises, collapsed, etc. etc. Sad

Then, when they got there, the animals have there beaks and horns, sawn of with a white hot metal wire, without using any pain relief.
The animals are sometimes kicked, thrown against walls, etc. to make them pass out for dicing up. Sad

It's awful, I could never eat meat.
I can't remember when I stopped, because I did eat it when I was a lot younger, but when I gave up I found it kind of hard because I could hardly think of any food which didn't have meat in, but now, just the smell makes me feel ill sometimes.

Sad

Eating meet is savage, and unhumane.
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The Grey Dawn · Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject:

Animals eat animals, that's the way it is, and the way it's probably going to stay. Humans are an omnivorous species, although some deviate from this diet, as with all species. Humanity can't survive an all-meat diet because we can't produce our own vitamin C... but an all-plant diet is pretty deficient to our overall nutrition as well, thanks to our need of B12 and Calcium. An omnivorous, well-balanced diet is usually best for our own well-being. There are vitamin supplements and whatnot, but those tend to be far more expensive than their food equivalent. Sure one can technically survive a vegetarian diet there are two disadvantages to it:
1) You gotta plan your meals enable to get those B12 and Calcium.
2) I love the taste of meat, I could never give it up. Believe me I tried. I'm the world shortest vegetarian. I lasted all of three minutes.
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Shaye · Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject:

I think we got a bit off topic.

I don't know, I think there are plenty of Male Vegetarians, but certainly not as many as there are female.

Some people rule themselves with their head, others with their hearts.

And then some people use both - or none at all- whatever tickles your fancy.

Wink

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butterflii · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:23 am Post subject:

Heehee, tickles your fancy.

As for 'plenty of male vegetarians', there's hardly plenty, It won't be 'plenty' until every male is vegetarian.

But I do agree, so many more women are Veggies, I think it's because;

1. Due to the lack of testosterone, woman are more sensitive than men and so feel more sorry for animals. And guilty at hurting them.

2. Some men (not ALL men) but some, might think it looks womanly and un-butch to care about fluffy little lambs etc.

3. I think some girls do it to look cute, I remember telling this one girl in my school I was a Vegetarian and she said in her squeaky, cakey voice, "Wow, how cool! I might become one!" Where as males don't tend to be so sheep-ish.
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