Gathering of the Figments

Shaye · Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:18 am Post subject: September 11th

Today is September 11th, or Patriot Day.

And I know that everyone knows what happened, so I won't go over that.

I wonder, though, how long it will be before this happens again. A terrorist attack that shakes the entire nation. Because I won't be able to stand it if thousands of people die because of the same thing that's been circulating around for centuries, again. I will not look at life the same way if another september 11th happens again. I choose, now, not to hate. I choose to let people believe what they believe. Hate may dominate this world, but I won't let it dominate mine.

No matter how hard you try, people will still hate. And it's not fair - to anyone. The people in those buildings did not want to die a death drenched in fear and tears. Those people did not deserve what happened to them, and the heroes they became after death will continue to serve the world as a beacon of what happened when the world stopped turning and everyone turned up to the sky and waited for it to fall.
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pommie42 · Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:34 am Post subject:

Hear Hear.

And let us not pay any attention to those fools on Chaser's War on Everything who mock September 11th with their show. May they feel ashamed. Yes, sometimes it is good to see the lighter side of things in dark times like these, but their timing is all wrong, and the matter is still far to controversial.
Let us remember those who dies on 9/11, and hope and pray that their are no further deaths as a consequence of terrorism.

My deepest sympathy goes out to any who lost loved ones through such an act.
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Shaye · Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:29 am Post subject:

Well said.

Yes. And it's major political points too.

Presidential speech: "And umm... we should... uh... get more nukes because.... ahh... uhhm.... ahhh... ummm.... September 11th."

Crowd: Claps and cheers
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The Grey Dawn · Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject:

Rather than celebrating the deaths of those who died, I decided to do those who died an honour and celebrate their lives. Let us learn from their deaths and try and stop as much death and hatred as we can. I know that I can't change the entire world, but at least I can change the lives of those around me. If I brighten at least one person's day everyday, isn't that better than moping around all day because six years ago thousands died. I hope that if they could see me, they would smile and know that I was spreading the joy that they undoubtedly spread while they lived. Let us remember their lives, not their deaths.
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Shaye · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject:

Well, we have to remember their deaths too. Remember their lives, yes. But their deaths were important too.

We have to acknowledge the fact that they died of hatred at its worst.
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The Grey Dawn · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject:

I'm still for moving on off of their deaths. They happened six years ago and between now and then at least 1 million people have died.
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Shaye · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject:

You can't move away from death.
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The Grey Dawn · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject:

They why don't you obsess over the deaths of the thousands of soldiers who died in Iraq, or the deaths of those men and women who died of bird flu? Is it because we need an excuse for our war? Is it because we are all morbid? Is it because that's what the politicians tell us?
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Shaye · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject:

Obsess?

I'm merely stating that it was a tragedy.

I'm sorry I have compassion towards all their deaths. I suppose you don't care, but I could not grasp the confusion and hopelessness that I would feel if I were in a building that was crumbling to the ground and watching people screaming and running in terror.

People who died in Iraq? I do. I have compassion for every person that dies. Why? I don't know. When I hear '30 people died today' I hear '30 sisters, mothers, fathers, brothers, daughters, sons, friends died today'. It's not that I care about one tragedy more than the other, I posted this because I think it's important to remember why they died.

Excuse for war? I don't think there's such a thing. There's no reason to kill people. Of course, people would argue with me about that, but I don't understand why we kill people who kill people to show them that killing people is wrong.

The politicians say "september 11th" and "radical islamic terrorism" so much it's like a broken record. Who listens to a broken record? I don't. Is it really so bad that I think September 11th was a tragedy?

I don't know why, but people tend to think that they're right, and that there are more important things in the world.

There's no such thing as a "more important" tragedy. Different numbers, different circumstances, but one thing: death. It's not fair that somebody can claim that one death is more significant than another because it happened more recently.
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The Grey Dawn · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:16 am Post subject:

Then why don't we honour the deaths of those that died in Iraq? I am not saying I am not sad about those who died in September 11th, I'm just saying that they aren't the only ones who've died tragically. If we mourn their deaths, why don't we mourn the deaths of everybody else? My grandfather died three years ago, but you don't see me every year mourning him. Why? Because I'd much rather celebrate his life and live my life as I'm sure he would want me to do. If we don't mourn the deaths of our grandfather, mother, daughters, sons, brother, sisters every year, why should we mourn the deaths of September 11th every year? If we don't mourn the deaths of the soldiers in Iraq every year, why should we mourn the deaths of September 11th every year?
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Shaye · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject:

I do honor the day my dad died, and I remember his life and his death. I want to remember lung cancer so that maybe we can cure lung cancer one day.

We do mourn people who die in Iraq. People who don't probably don't mourn the victims of September 11th.

you know. Hiroshima honors those who died when the bomb was dropped every year.

HOW STUPID!

Geez. I can't believe they'd actually care about something that much that they'd still mourn it decades after it happened! What idiots! But they don't even honor the people who died in the war, i bet. just hiroshima. They should move on from Hiroshima. So what if we dropped a nuke on them? So what if thousands of people died? It happened so long ago. They should probably be mourning something more recent and more important.

Just because something happens before something else doesn't mean it should be forgotten.

I don't even understand why you're doing this, actually. You're acting like it's so bad that I posted something on september 11th. Excuse me, but I did post something on Iraq before, if you look.

There's no such thing as an unmourned death. Every day we hear something on Iraq or Afganistan (not really. Nobody mentions Afganistan for some reason). Why? Because it's tragic. Death is death. Time shouldn't separate it or make it less important.

I feel like a broken record. But, if you wish, you may believe what you want.

September 11th - insignificant. Stupid. Get over it.
Hiroshima - Stupid. Insignificant. Get over it.
The Holocaust - Stupid. Insignificant. Get over it.

Everything that happened in the past is stupid. Doesn't even affect us today. Why remember it?
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The Grey Dawn · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject:

If we mourn for every death, then we mourn everyday. I know that when I die, I want those who love me to remember me as I lived, not as I died. I want people to live there life and not have the shadow of my death always sadden them. I don't even want it to return year after year. I am not saying that September 11th wasn't tragic, I'm just saying that instead of moping around all day, we should be happy, happy not that they died, but that they lived joyous lives when they lived. And rather than crying, let us smile and remember that although we are surrounded by hate, we are also surrounded by love.
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Shaye · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject:

Ergh.

CAN'T WE HONOR THEIR LIVES AND DEATHS?

I don't see what's so bad about that.

When I'm watching the news I see things about "Today in Iraq..." I can't help but feel a little sad about it. I'm sorry, but I'm not a nazi. I don't take pleasure in seeing soldiers blown up. It makes me sad.

And anyway. Mourning is different for everyone, and to me, I mourn my dad every day because I wish he was her when I get home from school or when I get up in the morning. I don't cry, but I feel a little empty. I can't really help that.

But I suppose I'm a terrible person for missing my father since he died a year and a half ago.

That's so stupid. It happened so long ago. I should get over it.
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The Grey Dawn · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject:

I'm not saying I don't miss my grandfather. I loved him, and I still do. But he died, and I live, I think I mourn him best by doing what I'm sure he would like. This message might seem a little cold, but in my head it is really a message of love. It's not one of those things that is easy to convince people of, but I try. When I heard about "Today in Iraq..." I'm sad, but I remember why those soldiers died, it's not so that their families will be sad, it's so that the family's of others can be happy. Death is something that is hard to cope with, but it is an occurrence that unfortunately happens, I try to start ever day with a smile. I hope that happiness will overcome the sadness of death. Sometimes everything is too much and I feel sad, but that's not something I can stop, but I try to live my life in happiness. However I respect your views and I'm, frankly, getting tired of arguing right now, and I think I'll stop.
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Shaye · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject:

Yes, me too.

*offers hand*
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